GERMAN SAUCERS
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We know from eyewitness accounts and recovered records that the German military machine was making great strides in experimental research. So successful in pioneering rocketry were they, that immediately after the war tons of material plus hundreds of scientists were siphoned off by the allies -- both east and west.
Since the 1950s there were many claims about alleged German developments of revolutionary saucer-shaped crafts able to fly with incredible performances, from a sort of "supersonic helicopter" to hard-to-believe interstellar spaceships.
These crafts were believed the same "flying saucers" (later named UFOs) sighted by many people all around the world since 1947. According to the many would-be "inventors" and enthusiasts of this theory, UFOs would not be of extraterrestrial origin but man-made. According to the many would-be "inventors" and enthusiasts of this theory, UFOs would not be of extraterrestrial origin but man-made.
The problem is that the majority of people that dispute German disc developments have never heard of these largely classified devices. Ignorance does not make them myths.
Granted, Rudolf Lusar, Renato Vesco, Justo Miranda, and Ernst Zündel have made some grievous errors in telling the story of German disc aircraft development during WW2; however, the disc development programs did exist and there is more than adequate proof of them..
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"E.T. MYTH" VS. the "NAZI UFO LEGEND This evidence has been downplayed for a number of reasons. An obvious factor is that documents and witness testimony tend to be in a foreign language. The universal revulsion felt for the Nazi regime and its occult origins is another factor. Then, too, some of the data seem to have been filtered through neo-Nazi sources. Most difficult for some, perhaps, is that the implicitly underlying physics for these craft must have been concealed from most of us for 60 years or more. However, the ETH involves a similar element of concealment, if only for a shorter duration. |
There is no question that the Germans produced a number of scientific breakthroughs in their quest for war technology during World War II. The V-1 buzz bombs - a forerunner of today's cruise missiles - and the V-2 rockets that terrorized London are two of the most famous examples, along with the Messerschmitt 262, the world's first operational jet fighter. 
There is no question that the Germans were experimenting with a wide variety of innovative aircraft and propulsion systems toward the end of the war. There is little doubt that they at least contemplated building a flying saucer. There are tantalizing bits of evidence that Nazi Germany indeed added a flying disc to its inventory of secret weapons.
MYTH OR REALITY?
The reality of the "Nazi UFOs" has been highly controversial. No really hard historical evidence about the undisputable existence of such advanced technology has been presented so far.
There are some clues and many fascinating rumours that have been creating a real myth about the so-called "Nazi UFOs".
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Also of interest are all those rumours about secret Allied developments of original German projects, Nazi underground bases and related stories, like Hitler's escape and mysterious U-Boats sighted after the end of WWII.
Besides claims of would-be inventors and rumours, there are no original first-hand historical documents about the development of saucer-shaped aircrafts by the Germans. The supporters of the saucers' reality say that most documents and blueprints were destroyed by the Nazis before surrender or captured by the Allied and never released, due to their extreme strategic importance. Investigation for locating possible undisputable sources is still running.
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Some researchers have found, on diligent examination, that the V-7 stories tend to have originated post-WW2, and in fact post 1947, when American private pilot Kenneth Arnold reported his string of unidentified flying objects "skipping like saucers" through the air near Mt. Rainier, Washington, gaining recognition in the 1950s, when the popular fascination with flying saucers was growing in the US. |
Hitler and the Third Reich led the world into a decade of terror in the first half of the 20th century that culminated in World War II. Technology played a greater part in that war than in past conflicts and the Germans developed an amazing array of secret weapons in a short time. Were flying discs part of the Luftwaffe arsenal? And, if so, was this secret looted and used by the Allied victors after the war?
Some of the German war-time technical advances are well known. The first military jet was the German Heinkel 178 which flew in 1939. In 1943 the Germans also deployed the only jet fighter to go into regular service during the war, the Messerschmitt 262. This German jet could easily overtake the fastest Allied aircraft. Only Hitler's misguided orders that the planes be outfitted as bombers, instead of defensive fighters, saved Allied aircraft from devastating casualties.
Cruise missiles, a staple of current advanced arsenals, were also first used by the Third Reich during the war. V-1 flying bombs were launched from German-held territories across the channel into England. The "buzz bombs," as they were sometimes called because of the sound of their impulse jet engines, could outrun most Allied aircraft making the V-1's almost impossible to stop. The V-1's weakness was its guidance system (a problem solved in modern cruise missiles by the use of computer-controlled radar). Because it couldn't hit a pinpoint target, the V-1 could only be used to cause random terror, not wipe out truly important military assets.
The V-2 rocket was the predecessor of the Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles that filled the nuclear arsenals of the Soviet Union and the United States during the Cold War. It traveled up to 225 miles at five times the speed of sound. A single hit could demolish a city block. During the war the V-2 killed 2724 civilians and injured another 6467. Like the V-1, though, it lacked a guidance system that would have allowed it to strike at important targets.
History of German Rocketry in World War II
Some of the earliest stories about German flying saucers date back to an inventor named Viktor Schauberger. Schauberger was born in Austria in 1885 and was considered by many to be a crackpot. Schauberger himself said:
They call me deranged. The hope is they are right...
Schauberger believed that machines could be designed better so that they would be "going with the flow of nature" rather than against it.
One of Schauberger's projects was to produce a flying machine, saucer shaped, that used a "liquid vortex propulsion" system. His theory was that "if water or air is rotated into a twisting form of oscillation, known as a 'colloidal,' a build-up of energy results, which, with immense power, can cause levitation."
According to stories Schauberger built several models, one of which was almost five feet in diameter and was powered by a 1/20 hp electric engine. Some reports indicated that one of the models actually flew. There are also reports that, according to letter Victor Schauberger wrote to a friend, a full-sized prototype of one of his designs was constructed using prison labor at the Mauthausen concentration camp. This craft flew on February 19th of 1945 near Prague and obtained an altitude of 45,000 feet in only 3 minutes. The letter goes on to say the prototype was destroyed by the Nazis before it could be captured by the Allies.
After the war Schauberger moved to the United States, where some contend he worked on secret projects for the U.S. government. He died in 1958, apparently claiming his ideas had been stolen.
Another German designer involved with the Nazi effort during the war was Rudolf Schriever. Schriever, along with some other engineers named Habermohl, Miethe and Bellanzo apparently came up with several disc-shaped aircraft designs that used more conventional power sources than those Schauberger envisioned. One of Schriever's drawings shows an egg-shaped cockpit surrounded by a rotating fan-like disc that provided the lift. A Miethe drawing depicts a smooth flat saucer with an elongated hump on its back for the cockpit. Both would have been powered by jet engines.
As with Schauberger, there were reports that some of these designs were actually built. The Schriever machine was said to have been tested in 1945 and to have reached an altitude of 12 kilometers in a little over three minutes. It had a top speed of 2000 kilometers an hour.
There is no real, solid evidence, though, that a test flight ever took place and Schriever himself, who relocated to the United States after the war, indicated that any prototypes of the craft were destroyed, before flying as the Germans abandoned their facilities in the face of advancing Allied troops.
Stories also persist that the Germans's also had developed small automatized flying discs.
The Feuerball and Kugelblitz stories seem to parallel tales of foo-fighters" told by Allied pilots during the war. Despite this it seems unlikely that Feuerballs and Kugelblitzs were ever actually built or flown. The "foo-fighters" observed were probably some purely natural phenomena. No Allied plane ever reported being attacked by a foo-fighter and it is likely that if the Germans had invented a device capable of tracking planes as well as the foo-fighters apparently did, they would have soon armed it with some effective weapon.
So were there really any German disc-shaped aircraft?
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It seems likely that there was certainly some experimentation with the concept within the Reich. Disc-shaped aircraft have several advantages, including low stall speed and low drag, even at high speeds. The rounded shape can also lower the craft's radar profile making it "stealthy." For these reasons German designers did consider using disc shaped aircraft, as did the
The low stall/drag of the shape was particularly important to the Germans at the end of the war. Months of bombing had reduced German runways to rubble. A saucer shaped craft could have lifted off the ground like a vertical-takeoff-and landing (VTOL) aircraft without a runway at all.
It is certain that they produced some models or prototypes, though, it is unlikely that if these machines flew they obtained the outstanding climb and speed figures some stories suggest. These stories may be difficult to disprove, though, since in the chaos at the end of the War, many records were lost or destroyed.
Rumors are likely to continue that the Nazis developed flying saucer technology that was then stolen by the United States and the Soviet Union after the war. This latter suggestion is not wholly without merit, since US and USSR rocketry development after WWII owed a lot to German scientists who were recruited to assist in the superpowers Cold War space programs through an operation known as "Paperclip." There are records, exposed by author Jim Wilson in a Popular Mechanics article in July 1997, that suggest that at least two brothers, Walter and Reimar Horten, were sought by the United States after the war because of their participation in German military saucer programs.
Some saucer stories about Germany developed after the War, rather than during it. In particular there is a book, UFOs: Nazi Secret Weapons? in which the author, Ernst Zündel, suggests Hitler escaped at the end of the war to establish a flying saucer base in Antarctica at the entrance of a hole that leads to a hollow "inner Earth."
Since science has pretty well established that the Earth isn't hollow, it seems these stories can be disregarded. As for the existence of German WWII flying discs, though, it is a possibility that may never fully be disproved.
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Stories of the scientific advances of the Third Reich have circulated for decades
It’s much easier to dismiss an absurd claim that is fresh and new than one which has been around for a while and taken root. It is, for example, simple enough to assess the credibility of David Icke’s assertion that Dr Josef Mengele – seemingly after he died – used mind-control to make a young American woman go to Balmoral Castle and officiate at rituals where the Queen and Queen Mother turned into reptiles and devoured small children; or to judge whether, as ‘Sir’ Laurence Gardner tells us in an explanation on which his whole ‘grail bloodline’ theory depends, the otherwise unmentioned daughter of Joseph of Arimathea (in this version, the brother of Jesus Christ) popped over to Wales to marry and settle down with Bran the Blessed, a mythical god-figure who spent much of his life as a detached head (and who, even if we take the original myths as a guide, would have been well over 100 years old at the time of the marriage).
Secondly, there is no historical evidence – physical or photographic – of the supposed flying discs. We are repeatedly told of craft of immense power, and sometimes immense size, defying all scientific parameters known before or since. Yet not so much as a bolt or a tachyon drive remains to verify their existence. There are just the oft-reproduced, fuzzy post-war photos taken by those who wished to convince us of saucer reality, but who usually succeeded only in demonstrating the unexplored potential of domestic containers and the art of close-up photography. The mythos argument is that rather than being extraterrestrial in origin, the discs photographed between 1947 and 1955 were actually developed from captured Nazi blueprints, by captured Nazi scientists. Relocated to America, they chose to have their miracle craft chug unimpressively around the dusty back roads of the USA, sometimes landing, sometimes crashing, and sometimes – particularly the very small discs – utilising conveniently-placed string to hang from trees, swinging gently and photogenically in the wind. Not one claim of flying Nazi discs pre-dates 1949 and the increased
Once upon a time, in For those who want to further the cause of secret Nazi science, or to maintain the flying saucer mystery, or both, Viktor Schauberger has been a prayer answered. Not because he actually built flying discs for the Nazis, but because some round, bulbous inventions he probably worked on were photographed and, with a bit of airbrushing to add Luftwaffe insignia, they looked rather like the round, bulbous inventions that figured in 1950s ufology. That he left no physical or technical evidence of his supposed disc experiments, was at times somewhat confused about the facts (there is evidence that he spent some time in a psychiatric hospital), and kept a diary in a shorthand that was difficult even for his family to comprehend, could only help. He even had a long, impressive beard to suggest that he was a misunderstood genius. History was ripe for rewriting – and not just the once.
Also in 1939, German physicist Victor Schauberger developed a design for a flying saucer using energy he claimed could be harnessed from the tonal vibrations, or ‘harmonics’, of the cosmos. As far-fetched as this theory seems, Schauberger’s research attracted the attention of Adolf Hitler, who offered to provide funds to build Schauberger’s own anti-gravity saucer. But Schauberger, who was a deeply committed pacifist, turned Hitler down.
The father of the German disc programme was Rudolf Schriever, a Luftwaffe aeronautical engineer assigned to Heinkel in 1940... a full-sized piloted version, the V2, first flew in 1943 with Schriever at the controls. Thirty feet [9m] in diameter, the V2 had a fixed central cabin around which a ring with adjustable vanes rotated to provide thrust in both the horizontal and vertical planes... Early in 1944, Schriever’s top-secret programme was moved to Rose seems to be the first to have suggested that Schauberger actually worked together with the four other ‘engineers’ who, according to the mythos, built flying saucers, but even Rose’s remarkable ‘sources’ pale in comparison to those apparently available to Gary Hyland, author of Blue Fires (Headline, 2001), who says of Schauberger: The first test-flight of the machine was reportedly amazingly successful (it apparently shot through the roof of the laboratory and had to be recovered some distance away)... [Schauberger] developed his ideas further, to the point where a full-sized, though unmanned flying disc prototype that used his new engine apparently flew under radio control... At the end of the war, the American forces got to Leonstein ahead of the Russians and found Schauberger and his team of experts. After letting the members of his team leave after a thorough interrogation, the Americans held Schauberger in protective custody for six months; it would seem that they knew exactly what he had been up to and wanted to prevent other nations, as well as renegade Nazis, from continuing to use his services.
The ‘Nazi UFO’ mythos has itself had three distinct phases of life, with long fallow periods between. The first was in the early 1950s, when a few individuals, none of them connected with any post-war rocket or aviation programme in
Zündel published the first drawings of what he referred to as the ‘electro-magnetically-powered Flying Hats’.
One of the problems faced by the Nazi ufologists is to explain the complete absence of palpable evidence. There is no period of history more thoroughly examined than 1939-1945, and no subject more closely examined than the Nazis, and more particularly, the SS. Had there been any reality in the claims for the construction and testing (or more) of high-speed flying disc technology by the Third Reich during that period, then we would have every reason to expect that it would have been discovered, reported, and analysed by writers and researchers far more competent than those referred to above. Yet it never has been. Nonetheless, there is a recurrent and developing counter-cultural argument that insists these extraordinary events actually took place. It is a theory that has sold millions of books and videos, and it continues to fuel a belief that, given just a few more months, the true genius of the Nazis, the fanaticism of the SS, and the inspiration of the Führer would have won through, and the Allies – no, not just the Soviet Union, but all the Allies – would have been defeated. While I’m happy to be challenged by solid evidence, I’ve found no reason to believe that Viktor Schauberger knew anything of this. I think he died before it was made up. He never built a flying disc, let alone one that flew using some unknown and unprecedented method of propulsion. He wasn’t sought out by Hitler or the SS, didn’t choose slave workers from Mauthausen to assist him, and wasn’t held by the Americans after the war because of his technical knowledge and achievements. If the Russians burned his flat down, I doubt that they even knew whose flat it was. The only truth seems to be that he visited the USA in the 1950s, leaving behind him components of two experimental water turbines; the objects that Zündel (who adorned them with Nazi insignia) said flew.
![]() The 'Balkenkreuz is NOT a Nazi Symbol! I have been told, all too often, not to use the term ‘Nazi UFOs’, because this is really about secret and suppressed technology. It just happens that the Germans were clever enough to invent it, and even if Ernst Zündel manufactured or exaggerated some of the facts, then he only did it for the money. I realised I had discovered a potent publicity tool with this topic – which would get me lots of free time on radio and TV shows, to expose other, more ‘politically incorrect’ topics to vast audiences... I slipped in lots and lots of ‘Revisions of History’... I talked about the disinfecting procedures to protect the valuable worker inmates in the Dora-Mittelwerke rocket underground assembly factories... I mentioned the medical facilities in the camps, the calorie count of the meals served, etc... The UFO books themselves also had very important politically otherwise impossible-to-tell messages embedded within them, such as the National-Socialist Party program and Hitler’s analysis of the Jewish question... All that – and I made a fine bundle of money! The money I made from the UFO books I invested in publishing the booklets Die Auschwitz-Lüge - a translation of The Auschwitz Lie, Dr Austin App’s booklet The Six Million Swindle and A Straight Look at the Third Reich; and, of course, later, 'Did Six Million Really Die?' by Richard Harwood.
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