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In Search of Nazi Saucers of World War Two

 By: NICK REDFERN



Project Silver Bug - plans that both Canada and the United States had in the 1950s to build and fly UFO-like aircraft……..but they were not alone. A decade before, the Nazis were doing something very similar.

 

That the Nazis had been working to perfect a circular-shaped aircraft that would broadly fit the classic flying saucer description is a theory that does have some merit.

The following US Air Force report of  3 January 1952 from Brigadier General W.M. Garland to General Samford, Air Force Director of Intelligence, full demonstrates this:

The continued reports of unusual flying objects requires positive action to determine the nature and origin of this phenomena. It is logical to relate the reported sightings to the known development of aircraft, jet propulsion, rockets and range extension capabilities in Germany and the USSR. In this connection, it is to be noted that certain developments by the Germans, particularly the Horten wing, jet propulsion, and refuelling, combined with their extensive employment of V-l and V-2 weapons during World War II, lend credence to the possibility that the flying objects may be of German and Russian origin. The developments mentioned above were completed and operational between 1941 and 1944 and subsequently fell into the hands of the Soviets at the end of the war. There is evidence that the Germans were working on these projects as far back as 1931 to 1938. Therefore it may be assumed that the Germans had at least a 7 to 10 year lead over the United States.
 

An Inventory of Nazi Secret Weapons


 

 

In 1954, according to the CIA:

A German newspaper (not further identified) recently published an interview with George Klein, famous German engineer and aircraft expert, describing the experimental construction of 'flying saucers' carried out by him from 1941 to 1945. Klein stated that he was present when, in 1945, the first piloted 'flying saucer' took off and reached a speed of 1,300 miles per hour within 3 minutes. The experiments resulted in three designs: one designed by Miethe, was a disk-shaped aircraft, 135 feet in diameter, which did not rotate; another designed by Habermohl and Schriever, consisted of a large rotating ring, in the center of which was a round, stationary cabin for the crew. When the Soviets occupied
Prague, the Germans destroyed every trace of the 'flying saucer' project and nothing more was heard of Habermohl and his assistants. Schriever recently died in Bremen, where he had been living. In Breslau, the Soviets managed to capture one of the saucers built by Miethe, who escaped to France. He is reportedly in the US at present.



 



Similarly, in 1947, a US citizen wrote the following letter to the FBI in 1947:

Recently I have heard and read about reports of disc-shaped aircraft, or whatever they are, in our Western regions. They reminded me of a nearly forgotten incident in
Germany, after the war. I report this to you because I feel this may be of international scope. My buddy and I went on pass to see a friend of his. One evening the three of us were driving along some back roads when I sighted a strange-looking object in the sky from eight to ten miles to our front and approximately 5,000 feet high. I immediately stopped the jeep for a better look. The object rapidly came toward us, descending slowly. About a mile away it stopped its horizontal motion but continued a slow-oscillating descent similar to a descending parachute. Then it stopped in a spiral motion. Immediately I drove to where it had dropped. It took almost five minutes to reach the place but we saw nothing. After ten minutes of cruising around the area it became too dark to see so we went back to town. I am not sure my companions saw this because it happened so quickly it could easily have been missed, but I described what I had seen so vividly that they were as excited as I was. My first impression was that it was a cloud, but it was traveling at right angles to the wind. The locale of this incident was approximately 120 miles north west of Habberbishophiem. If necessary, I will swear to the authenticity of this and to the shape of the object.

 

In that same year, 1947, the FBI also interviewed Edwin M. Bailey of Stamford, Connecticut, on his theories about man-made UFOs.

 

According to the FBI:

Bailey prefaced his remarks by stating that he is a scientist by occupation and is currently employed at the American Cyanamid Research Laboratories on West Main Street in Stamford, Connecticut, in the Physics Division. Bailey further indicated that during the war he was employed at MIT, Cambridge, Massachusetts, in the Radiation Laboratory which Laboratory is connected with the
Manhattan Project. Bailey advised that he is thirty years of age and is a graduate of the University of Arizona. Bailey stated that the topic of flying saucers had caused considerable comment and concern to the present day scientists and indicated that he himself had a personal theory concerning the flying saucers. Prior to advancing his own theory, Bailey remarked that immediately after the conclusion of World War II, a friend of his [censored], allegedly observed the flying saucers from an observatory in Milan and Bologna, Italy. He stated that apparently at that time the flying saucers had caused a little comment in Italy but that after some little publicity they immediately died out as public interest. Bailey stated that it is quite possible that actually the flying saucers could be radio controlled germ bombs or atom bombs which are circling the orbit of the earth and which could be controlled by radio and directed to land on any designated target at the specific desire of the agency or country operating the bombs.

 

In July 1952, the FBI was informed of the following that had a direct bearing on CIA knowledge of Soviet-designed UFOs:

 

[Source] said that more recent reports have been received from representatives of the Central Intelligence Agency in Southern Europe and Southern Asia to the effect that the Russians were experimenting with some type of radical aircraft or guided missile which could be dispatched for great distances out over the sea, made to turn in flight and return to the base from which it was launched. He related that this information was extremely worthy of notice as experiments in this country have so far only developed to the point where we are concerned with delivering a missile to the required point of impact and no consideration has been given to imparting to that missile the ability to return. [Source] also advised that it is a known fact that the Russians are attempting to develop some type of nuclear energy, that they received a wealth of information concerning nuclear energy at the time of their occupation in Germany, and that they have at their disposal a limited supply of fissionable materials. [Source] pointed out that the Russians have some very capable scientists in the field of atomic energy and that, in addition thereto, they took into their custody some of the most-advanced and capable scientists of the German nation.

 

Moving on to 1957, FBI agents in Detroit interviewed a man with knowledge of Nazi-built UFOs, who was…

born February 19, 1926, in the State of Warsaw, Poland, and was brought from Poland as a Prisoner of War to Gut Alt Golssen approximately 30 miles east of Berlin, Germany, in May, 1942, where he remained until a few weeks after the end of World War II. He spent the following years at Displaced Persons Camps at Kork, Strasburg, [sic]
Offenburg, Milheim and Freiburg, Germany. He attended a radio technician school at Freiburg and for about a year was employed in a textile mill at Laurachbaden, Germany. He arrived in the United States at New York, May 2, 1951, via the 'SS General Stewart' as a Displaced Person. According to the man, during 1944, month not recalled, while enroute [sic] to work in a field a short distance north of Gut Alt Golssen, their tractor engine stalled on a road through a swamp area. No machinery or other vehicle was then visible although a noise was heard described as a high-pitched whine similar to that produced by a large electric generator. An 'SS' guard appeared and talked briefly with the German driver of the tractor, who waited five to ten minutes, after which the noise stopped and the tractor engine was started normally. Approximately 3 hours later in the same swamp area, but away from the road where the work crew was cutting 'hay', he surreptitiously, because of the German in charge of the crew and 'SS' guards in the otherwise deserted area, observed a circular enclosure approximately 100 to 150 yards in diameter protected from viewers by a tarpaulin-type wall approximately 50 feet high, from which a vehicle was observed to slowly rise vertically to a height sufficient to clear the wall and then to move slowly horizontally a short distance out of his view, which was obstructed by trees. This vehicle, observed from approximately 500 feet, was described as circular in shape, 75 to 100 yards in diameter, and about 14 feet high, consisting of dark gray stationary top and bottom sections, five to six feet high. The approximate three foot middle section appeared to be a rapidly moving component producing a continuous blur similar to an aeroplane propeller, but extending the circumference of the vehicle so far as could be observed. The noise emanating from the vehicle was similar but of somewhat lower pitch than the noise previously heard. The engine of the tractor again stalled on this occasion and no effort was made by the German driver to start the engine until the noise stopped, after which the engine started normally. Un-insulated metal, possibly copper, cables one and one-half inch to two inches in diameter, on and under the surface of the ground, in some places covered by water, were observed on this and previous occasions, apparently running between the enclosure and a small concrete column-like structure between the road and enclosure. This area was not visited by the man again until shortly after the end of World War II, when it was observed the cables had been removed and the previous locations of the concrete structure and the enclosure were covered by water. The man stated he has not been in communication since 1945 with any of the work crew of 16 or 18 men, consisting of Russian, French and Polish POWs, who had discussed this incident among themselves many times However, of these, he was able to recall by name only one, no address known, described as then about 50 years of age and presumed to have returned to Poland after 1945.

 

Another FBI document concerns a man who was interviewed at the Miami Office of the FBI on 26 April 1967. He stated:

Sometime during 1943, he graduated from the
German Air Academy and was assigned as a member of the Luftwaffe on the Russian Front Near the end of 1944, he was released from this duty and was assigned as a test pilot to a top secret project in the Black Forest of Austria. During this period he observed the aircraft described above. It was saucer-shaped, about twenty-one feet in diameter, radio-controlled, and mounted several jet engines around the exterior portion of the craft. He further described the exterior portion as revolving around the dome in the center which remained stationary. It was his responsibility to photograph the object while in flight. He asserted he was able to retain a negative of a photograph he made at 7,000 meters (20,000 feet). According to him, the above aircraft was designed and engineered by a German engineer whose present whereabouts is unknown to him. He also assumed the secrets pertaining to this aircraft were captured by Allied Forces. He said this type of aircraft was responsible for the downing of at least one American B-26 airplane. He has become increasingly concerned because of the unconfirmed reports concerning a similar object and denials the United States has such an aircraft. He feels such a weapon would be beneficial in Vietnam and would prevent the further loss of American lives which was his paramount purpose in contacting the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

 



 



Can the entire UFO mystery be explained as a result of the flights of classified and prototype aircraft of the type described above in official files? Or do we really have alien visitors? Or could the real answer be, incredibly, both?


The Germans built:

1. Foo Fighter, a circular turbojet which paced Allied bomber formations. Weaponry still speculation.

2. Miethe Diskus, (Dr. Richard Heinrich Miethe) two models, one ovoid one circular. Both had internal spinning engines which were a special kind of radial jet engine.

3. Schriever "Flugkreisel" developed at Prague airport, spinning blades like a helicopter but powered by a single turbo jet or hypergolic rocket (as in Me 162) engine. This craft never flew due to instability.

 

4. Habermohl Saucer, (Dipl. Ing. Otto Habermohl) this was a similar design but more stable and actually flew.

 

Designs number 2 and 4 were in a competition sponsored first by the Luftwaffe then by the SS (when they took the program over). Georg Klein, who supervised for the Luftwaffe and then became the second in command to Dr. Ing. Hans Kammler, reports that Kammler picked the Habermohl model because it was cheaper and much easier to build. All designs were air-defense systems.

 

5. Peenemünde Project, we know of this from Ing. Heinrich Fleissner who worked on the project. This was a conventional saucer which could use a variety of propellants, including diesel fuel and liquid oxygen, alcohol and LOX, or liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. The saucer, if ever built, would be able to fly as fast as the SR-71 and into space on the latter fuel.

 

6. Peenemünde Project (atomic) Wernher von Braun intended to build or began to build a saucer using atomic power capable of flying at very high altitude.

 

7. Field Propulsion Saucers-- a US government report based upon a Polish prisoner of war testimony says a very large saucer took off from an area east of Berlin from over a 75 ft. wooden fence. It stopped all ignition-based engines as it ascended and flew away over a forest. The SS was in charge of this project according to the PW.

 

All projects were run from the Kammler Group think tank in Pilsen, now The Czech Republic. The industrial sponsor was the huge industrial firm Skoda.


 



Martin Caidin, in Black Thursday (1960), told of silver discs encountered during the 1943 Schweinfurt Raid. Archivists at the National Archives could not locate confirmation of this report. There are, however, other references to small silver discs.

Under the heading "Miscellaneous Phenomena," in a report of A-2 Section of the 42d Bomb Wing, the following appears:

Also, on 18 October [1944], a shower of silver objects about the size of silver dollars was reported in the vicinity of Alfonsine. These objects were seen floating at 10,500 feet and descending very slowly.

In December 1944 the New York Times reported that American pilots over Germany were reporting silver spheres.

A spokesman at Army Air Force headquarters said that the only reports reaching Washington were from the newspapers and that no reports were received from the theater (New York Times, December 14 and 21, 1944).

Yet the XII Tactical Air Command's Intelligence Information Bulletin, No. 6, January 28, 1945, carries a report under the heading "Flak Developments":

"There have however been several reports of the phenomenon which is described as "silver balls", seen mainly below 10,000 feet; tentative suggestions have been made as to their origin and purpose, but as yet no satisfactory explanation has been found."

The bulletin for June 4, 1945, discusses reports from Japan:

Mention has previously been made of German airborne controlled missiles Hs.298, Hs.293, X4 and Hs.117. Many reports have been received from Bomber Command crews of flaming missiles being directed at, and sometimes following the aircraft, suggesting the use of remote control and/or homing devices. It is known that the Germans kept their Japanese Allies informed of technical developments and the following report, taken verbatim from Headquarters, U. S. A. F. P. O. A. G.2 Periodic Report No. 67, further suggests that the Japanese are using similar weapons to those reported by our own crews:

During the course of a raid by Super-Fortresses on the Tachikawa aircraft plant, and the industrial area of Kawasaki, both in the Tokyo area, a number of Super-Fortresses reported having been followed or pursued by "red balls of fire" described as being approximately the size of a basketball with a phosphorescent glow. Some were reported to have tails of blinking light. These "balls" appeared generally out of nowhere, only one having been seen to ascend from a relatively low altitude to the rear of a B-29. No accurate estimate could be reached as to the distance between the balls and the B-29's. No amount of evasion of the most violent nature succeeded in shaking the balls. They succeeded in following the Super-Fortresses through rapid changes of altitude and speed and sharp turns, and held B-29s' courses through clouds. One B-29 reported outdistancing a ball only by accelerating to 295 mph, after which the pursuing ball turned around and headed back to land.

Individual pursuits lasted as long as six minutes, and one ball followed a Super-Fortress 30 miles out to sea. The origin of the balls is not known. Indication points to some form of radio-direction, either from the ground or following enemy aircraft. The apparent objective of the balls, no doubt, is destruction of the Super-Fortresses by contact. Both interception and AA [anti-aircraft] have proved entirely ineffective, the enemy has apparently developed a new weapon with which to attempt countering our thrusts."

(SOURCE: RAF, Fighter Command Intelligence and Operational Summary No. 30, dated 15 May 1945).


Foo Fighters

 

Most UFO researchers are familiar with the Foo Fighter mystery, which involved strange balls of light and small, metallic objects seen by both Allied and Axis pilots during the Second World War. File AIR 14/2800 at the Public Record Office contains one of the few surviving official British reports of these objects, detailing how aircrew from Bomber Command’s 115 Squadron saw some of these strange objects on bombing raids in December 1943.

 

What is more pertinent to this story is the way in which the Foo Fighter sightings were viewed by the British Government. Perhaps the best indication comes from Professor R. V. Jones, one of the key wartime scientific intelligence experts and someone who is one of the key figures in this story, even though his involvement with the UFO issue is not widely known. Writing in chapter 52 of his book Most Secret War, he says:

 

We had already seen scares arise during the war by the imaginations of men under strain interpreting fearfully observations which had a natural explanation. KGr 100 pilots had seen red lights over England. We had to deal with reports of Fifth Columnists letting off rockets; and our bomber crews had reported single-engine night fighters with yellow lights in their noses over Germany at times when we knew that no single-engine night fighters were flying.


Foo Fighter sightings, so it seems, were dismissed out of hand by officialdom. Or were they? 

A declassified US Army foo-fighter report states that an American infantry unit camped near the Mannheim Autobahn by night saw a number of "large glowing balls" coming in to land "in a small wood". Each appeared to be under independent control, wobbling rather like an aircraft. Beyond the small wood they disappeared from sight.

In another incident - pre-dating the archive release of the US document -  on the Mannheim Autobahn towards the end of the war, a car driver found that his engine cut out suddenly. This also happened to all other car drivers on that stretch of the highway. Black-uniformed Gestapo arrived and lined the side of the road. [If all engines have stopped dead how did the Gestapo "arrive"?] Several unidentified flying objects flew overhead, probably having taken off from the small airfield at Neuostheim hidden behind a small wood. Shortly afterwards, the Gestapo warned occupants of all cars to say nothing of what they had seen, and after a few moments electrical transmission was restored.

The source was discovered and the true sequence of events was: Gestapo (actually regular troops) arrive, block the road and ask the driver to turn off the engine. This was because radar tests were being done (calibration IIRC) and they didn't want any extraneous electrical signals (from the car ignition) affecting the readings. After a period of time the driver would be allowed to proceed once the tests were complete. The "flying objects" are  added embellishments by later (credulous) writers.]



From the banks of the Zierkersee flying saucer were sighted.  They appeared like perpendicular, flying, flat discs, that were red-hot and  recognizable from afar.  Because the V- I missiles were also tested over Neustrelitz and Ostmecklenburg, this sight was not even sensational.  For us, the discs were also trials of secret weapons. 

 

In the autumn 1944 my husband in Oldenburg with his unit on higher command orders hermetically closed off and secured an airport.  From  this airport, circular objects rose with astonishing speed and also veered off, like rabbits, at right angles.

~'Wochenzeitschrift Kristall', Nr. 9, 50


Hartz Mountains

People near the military compounds where alleged disk technology was being developed reported sightings of "ghost ships". This was before the term UFO or flying saucer was used but many of the same events were happening in the late 30's and 40's in Germany. Some reports were probably the V1 and V2 rockets while other reports were said to be more similar to UFO sightings.

In a 1981 book by Nigel Pennick, Hitler's Secret Sciences, He describes events that were similar to what people would soon experience in South America and the United States in the 50's while encountering a UFO.

In 1938 on top of one of the peaks on the Hartz Mountains called the Broken a tower was erected. Another was erected on top of the Feldberg peak near Frankfurt

 

 

Feldberg Peak  





Luftwaffe Guard and Stalled Car
[see picture of Vril]

At times cars traveling along the mountain roads would suddenly have the engine stall and the electronics died. They would be approached by a Lutwaffe guard who would tell them it was no use trying to start the car but he would let them know soon when they could.  

 

If true this has all the evidence of experiments that are giving out intense EM (electro magnetic) pulses



German Weapons and Secret Weapons of the 2nd World War and their Further Development
by Rudolf Lusar

The development, (relating to flying saucers) which had cost millions, was almost complete by the end of the war. No doubt the existing models were destroyed, although the plant in Breslau, where Miethe worked, fell into the hands of the Russians, who removed all the material and technical personnel to Siberia, where further work on these "flying saucers" has been carried on with much success. Schriever just managed to get out of Prague in time, Habermohl, on the other hand, must be in the Soviet Union.

The former German designer Miethe is in the USA and, as far as can be determined, is designing "flying saucers" for A.V. Roe & Co. The machines, which have been observed to date, have diameters in the order of 16, 42, 45 and 75 metres and they are supposed to develop a speed of up to 7,000 km/hour.

Already in 1952 "flying saucers" had been indisputably recognised over Korea and according to press reports, were also observed and reported during NATO manoeuvres in Alsace in the spring of 1954. 


Associated Press

August 2, 1950

'Flying Saucers' pop up in Korea and over Tokyo

SEOUL, Aug 2 (AP) - Those "flying saucers" have popped up in Korea and Japan.

A Canadian destroyer reported sighting two such objects July 10 and recorded them on its radar, it was learned today. A navy report placed the objects two miles high and seven miles away.

A second report dismissed the radar find as the planet Jupiter.

One officer commented, however: "Jupiter doesn't come in pairs and it is several million miles out of range of our radar."

In Tokyo Kosuke Miyazaki of the central meteorological observatory said he saw a greenish-white thing with a tail flying thru the sky last night. Makoto Sakai, a university student, saw it, too. He said it was bluish-white and split into halves before disappearing. Another witness said it was orange-white. Dr. Hideo Hirose of the Tokyo astronomical observatory said it must have been a meteor.


New York Times
February 20, 1952

'Disks' Seen in Korea

Air Force Studies Fliers' Reports of Hurtling Orange Globes

WASHINGTON, Feb. 19 (AP) - The latest version of the five-year-old flying saucers - strange-looking orange globes over Korea - is being looked into by the Air Force.

Bomber crewmen have reported seeing globe-shaped objects of an orange color on flights over Korea on the nights of Jan. 29 and 30. An Air Force spokesman said today that the incidents were being investigated.

Bomber crewmen, who reported seeing the globes over the Wonsan area in Eastern Korea and the Sunchon area in west central Korea, said the objects were about three feet in diameter and had remained with a B-29 bomber over Wonsan for about five minutes and with a B-29 over Sunchon for about one minute.



Is this how the U.S.government got into the UFO conspiracy business in the first place?

 

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My name is Hans Gobek, and I was a pilot in the Luftwaffe throughout the war. I served in the western front, and for most of the war I was assigned to the Special Projects Group at Breslau, Germany. You have asked me to explain how I came to this country, and the circumstances surrounding the capture and relocation of this group of special pilots and aircraft. This I will do, to the best of my ability.


We operated from
Western Germany
, primarily against the bomber formations that flew ceaselessly overhead. As our best planes and pilots were shot down, the German High Command devised new ways to attack our enemy. We developed a number of new Terror Weapons to use against them, including the suicidal Natter jet rockets.

But one of the least effective was the desperate use of various saucer designs. Early versions of this machine involved small, 6 to 8 meter silver disks, launched by hidden catapults along the flight path of the bombers. These rapidly-moving saucers would approach the formations from the rear, then veer away suddenly because of internal gyroscopes. They never seemed to hit anything, but could be retrieved and launched repeatedly.

Over time, we perfected this system, making the saucers larger and equipping them with jet propulsion and remote TV links, such as we also used on Messerchmidt Me-163 Komets. Since these saucers were unmanned, they were able to maneuver in ways that would have killed a human pilot, and use of remote control gave them the illusion of being guided by human intelligence.

None of these unarmed versions was successful, but you must remember that we used them to strike terror in the minds of the bomber crews, and in that I believe they had some success. They earned the nickname 'Foo Fighters', and our Japanese allies even requested we ship a number of them to the far east, something our leaders were happy to do. In the Pacific they could be launched from boats or small jungle islands, and were used frequently in the desperate last days of the war.

When the end came for us, it was the Americans that arrived at our facility, and they were eager to capture any secret weapons they could find. Some of our officers were aware of the Führer's fascination with legends and the occult, and decided to claim that these terror weapons were the 'technology of the gods', recovered by us in crashed other world vehicles and applied through dedicated German engineering.

We were amazed that the gullible Americans believed us, but they gathered together our entire group and moved us to the
United States
. Luckily, we had been ordered to destroy all working saucer systems before the allies arrived, and thus all the Americans found were saucer shells and what they believed was the talent to build more of them.

I later learned this Operation Paperclip worked with the
OSS
and the CIA to bring many important Nazi officers into the service of secret American organizations. Reinhard Gehlen moved his entire Eastern Front espionage organization over, in much the same way we were transplanted. I think that the CIA also captured vast sums of hidden German gold, for when we arrived, large facilities were constructed on our behalf. These are, I believe, still operating US Navy and Air Force bases, parts of which were buried deep beneath the earth to keep our activities hidden.

Of course, we had no idea of how to create the type of technology the Americans expected, but with their support and secrecy, we began a long program of experimentation and testing in the vast deserts of this country.

I moved back and forth between Edwards Air Force Base in
California and various airfields in Nevada
repeatedly as I was asked to pilot the craft that my German associates constructed. I was one of the few fortunate pilots from the Fatherland who survived the ordeal.

There were other secrets about our activities that I was never told. We understood that it was best if we knew as little as possible, and to this day I too am unsure why our officers kept this effort so secret, arresting and even killing intruders, reporters, and unlucky visitors.

I was moved here, to a small cabin along the
Oregon coast, when my eyesight became too poor to continue with this secret program. Here I have remained for the last twenty-three years. This all that I know of this Nazi UFO program, and these facts I swear are true.

 

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