The Third Reich's Flying Saucers

There are recurring tales of the development of disc-shaped aircraft by the German Reich during World War 2. Although some researchers have found, on diligent examination, that the stories tend to have originated post-WW2, and in fact post 1947, when American private pilot Kenneth Arnold reported his string of unidentified flying objects "skipping like saucers" through the air near Mt. Ranier, Washington, enthusiasts are not deterred.

The accounts given between 1950 and 1957 by Schriever, Belluzzo (or Bellonzo) and Miethe, three of the four engineers supposedly responsible for the "Schriever, Habermohl, Miethe and Bellonzo Flying Disc" , and who supposedly came up with several disc-shaped aircraft designs that used jet engines, are said not to support each other. Each alleged participant gives different information, individually taking the lead in being responsible for what was achieved, and none of them state that they worked with the other three. Essentially, all claim to have been responsible for an assortment of different disc programmes, at a variety of different locations, testing and flying their different discs.

One of Schriever's drawings shows an egg-shaped cockpit surrounded by a rotating fan-like disc that provided the lift; a Miethe drawing depicts a smooth, flat saucer with an elongated hump on its back for the cockpit and a pair of exhausts pointing rearwards.





The Schriever machine was said to have been tested in 1945 and to have reached an altitude of 12 kilometers in a little over three minutes, achieving a top speed of 2000 kilometers an hour. Evidence supporting this claim is at the best rather sparse; and Schriever himself, who moved to the United States after the war, indicated that prototypes of the craft were destroyed before flying as the Germans abandoned their facilities ahead of the Allied advance.

Others interpret Schriever as saying that the craft did not progress beyond blueprint stage, and the planned speed and height figures were subsequently misquoted as ones that had actually been achieved.

The history of German "flying saucers" in World War 2 harks back to designers such as Alexander Lippisch, who supposedly tested circular-wing aircraft designs in 1940-41 wind tunnels at Göttingen, although without obtaining spectacular results.

Even before that, Professor Heinrich Focke was particularly interested in emerging helicopter and autogyro technologies and was involved in the design and production of a number of advanced aircraft designs during the war. The creation of the jet engine encouraged him to design a power system which evolved into what we know today as the "turbo-shaft" engine.

In 1939 he patented a saucer-type aircraft with enclosed twin rotors:

The exhaust nozzle forked in two at the end of the engine and ended in two auxiliary combustion chambers located on the trailing edge of the wing. When fuel was added these combustion chambers they would act as afterburners to provide horizontal propulsion to Focke’s design. The control at low speed was achieved by alternately varying the power from each auxiliary combustion chamber.

Still earlier, in the late '30s, another German was also designing circular aircraft. His name was Arthur Sack, a farmer from Machern (near Leipzig). As a model aircraft enthusiast, he decided to begin work on a model of a flyable disc. Although reputable aeronautical publications, among them RAF Flying Review have published photos of this "Nazi Flying Saucer", all we know is that he built a model of a flat, circular aircraft, sporting the colors of the German Luftwaffe. Only a few other details, barring two photographs, have survived. The militaristic-looking "saucer" had a canopy reminiscent of the Bf-109, the mainstay German fighter of World War Two.

The public presentation of Sack's flying saucer took place during the celebration of the First National Contest for Air Models With Combustion Motors, held on the 27 and 28 of June, 1939 in Leipzig-Mockau (Germany). The model measured 1,250 mm and was powered by a motor driving a 600 mm propeller at 4500 rpm.

The competition seems to have been a complete debacle, no model performing correctly over a short, fixed course and many not even taking off, Sack's among them. Sack had to throw it into the air himself. His disc managed to fly 100 meters.

Here the story takes a dramatic turn, for among the competition's spectators was General-Air Minister Udet. The claim is that he was deeply impressed by the concept and became something of a supporter of the military development of disc-shaped aircraft, apparently overlooking the pathetic performance of the competition models. He promised Sack that he would "smooth the road for further research."

Arthur Sack built some additional "flying saucer" models prior to beginning the construction of a manned aircraft during World War 2 at the MIMO plant (Mitteldeutsche Motorwerke), Leipzig. This design was designated the A-6, (a design which is also attributed, at least in part, to Dr. Alexander Lippisch at the Göttingen Aviation Institute) and work was supposedly completed at the Brandis flight shop (Flugplatz-Werkstatt) in early 1944.

The prototype AS6 was equipped with an Argus 10cc, 140 HP engine, and a 6.40 meter circular wing. Its weight was estimated at some 750-800 kgs.

Flight testing began in April, 1944, at Brandis. On the first attempt the rudder and brake both failed. After various efforts were made to correct the faults, further takeoffs were attempted. The pilot found the rudder very heavy - an experience which repeated itself when, post-war, the first flight took place of the US Chance Vought XF5U disc-shaped aircraft, which the A-6 was said to resemble in principle.

Several subsequent attempts, with accompanying equipment breakage, achieved no better than a few short bounds into the air, and then the fog of war obscures any accounts of further development; although in autumn 1944 a flying saucer was sighted over the Neubiderg aerodrome, near Munich. Perhaps the AS6 achieved a brief success.

In its February 1989 issue, the German magazine Flugzeug published the following report of a "flying saucer" sighting. A German official recorded that, at the Prag-Gbell aerodrome in August/September 1943, he and a good number of flying companions saw inside a hangar "a disk some 5-6 meters in diameter. Its body is relatively large at the center. Underneath, it has four tall, thin legs. Color: aluminum. Height: almost as tall as a man. Thickness: some 30 - 40 cm., with a rim of external rods, perhaps square orifices."

The upper part of the body ... was flat and rounded... Along with my friends, I saw the device emerge from the hangar. It was then that we heard the roar of the engines, we saw the external side of the disk begin to rotate, and the vehicle began moving slowly and in a straight line toward the southern end of the field. It then rose almost 1 meter into the air. After moving around some 300 meters at that altitude, it stopped again. Its landing was rather rough... Later on, the 'thing' took off again, managing to reach the end of the aerodrome this time.


Flugzeug's editors treated the report cautiously, if only because they saw it as "antithetical to those described by Schriever, Habermohl, Miethe, and Bellonzo with their vast basic dimensions."

Perhaps we can gain a perspective on the validity of the Schriever, Habermohl, Miethe, and Bellonzo disc by recognizing that the details first emerged in 1950, in a period when the US, then the world, began taking an interest in outer space and, perhaps not surprisingly, interpreting any strange aerial phenomenon in terms of space ships or flying saucers. Rudolf Schreiever came forward, and claimed that he had worked with a small team at facilities near Prague with a view to developing a flying saucer-type vehicle.

According to Der Spiegel magazine dated March 30th 1950, in an article entitled Untertassen-Flieger Kombination:

 

A former Luftwaffe captain and aircraft designer, Rudolf Schriever, who says engineers throughout the world experimented in the early 1940s with 'flying saucers' is willing to build one for the United States in six to nine months. The 40 year old Prague University graduate said he made blueprints for such a machine, which he calls a 'flying top', before Germany’s collapse and that the blueprints were stolen from his laboratory. He says the machine would be capable of 2,600 mph with a radius of 4,000 miles. Schriever is a US Army driver at Bremerhaven.

 

There is certainly no need to attribute the development of Germany's disc-form aircraft of World War 2 to alien intervention or to pursuit of  any mystical beliefs. The designs were explorations of the potential of disc-shaped wings which, in theory, are strong and easy to build. Any occult or alien assistance obviously failed to result in the construction of one provably functioning model of advanced design.

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We are left with the sparse evidence that Sack, an aero modeler, built a clumsy flying disc and supposedly worked on a full-scale saucer-shaped aircraft, also attributed to Dr. Lippisch, which according to accounts managed a few awkward hops; an anecdotal record of an accidental sighting of attempts to fly an equally clumsy disc-shaped craft; and the conflicting allegations surrounding designs by Schriever, Habermohl, Miethe, and Bellonzo.

Focke's innovative thinking may have produced a number of advanced aircraft, on paper and in reality, but no flying disc seems to have been among them. Whatever projects to explore disc-shaped aircraft the Germans undertook in World War 2, the evidence does not point to achievement of any particularly outstanding results. Significantly, perhaps, the German disc stories gained recognition in the 1950s,
when the popular fascination with flying saucers was growing in the US.


Nazi UFOs


The idea that Nazi Germany developed highly advanced aircraft or spacecraft appears in fiction as early as 1947. In Robert A. Heinlein's novel Rocket Ship Galileo, the protagonists discover Nazi fugitives living in a base on the moon. However, the idea is not limited to science fiction. Academic Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, in Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity, has documented a fringe belief that the Nazis developed flying saucers (Haunebu or Hauneburg-Geräte, and Reichs- or Rund-Flugscheiben) that they launched, and continue to launch, from a base in the Antarctic territory of New Swabia (Neu-Schwabenland). He includes the theory under the heading of "esoteric Nazism," an ideology that hopes for Nazi restoration through supernatural or paranormal means.


Historical connections


Nazi UFO theories agree with mainstream history on the following points:

  • Some UFO sightings during World War II, particularly those known as Foo Fighters, were thought to be enemy aircraft.

    Early references


    The earliest non-fictional reference to Nazi flying saucers appears to be a series of articles by and about Italian turbine expert Giuseppe Belluzzo. The following week, German scientist Rudof Schriever claimed to have developed flying saucers during the Nazi period.


    Aeronautical engineer Roy Fedden remarked that the only craft that could approach the capabilities attributed to flying saucers were those being designed by the Germans towards the end of the war. Fedden also added that the Germans were working on a number of very unusual aeronautical projects, though he did not elaborate upon his statement.


    Revisionist claims


    Pauwels and Bergier


    A 1967 book by Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier, Aufbruch ins dritte Jahrtausend: Von der Zukunft der phantastischen Vernunft, made many spectacular claims about the Vril Society of
    Berlin. It claimed that the society had made contact with an alien race and dedicated itself to creating spacecraft to reach the aliens. In partnership with the Thule Society and the Nazi Party, it developed a series of flying disc prototypes. With the Nazi defeat, the society allegedly retreated to a base in Antarctica and vanished.


    Ernst Zündel


    When German Holocaust denier Ernst Zündel started Samisdat Publishers in the 1970s, he initially catered to the UFOlogy community, which was then at its peak of public acceptance. His main offerings were his own books claiming that flying saucers were Nazi secret weapons launched from an underground base in
    Antarctica, from which the Nazis hoped to conquer the world. Zündel also sold (for $9999) seats on an exploration team to locate the underground base. Some people who interviewed Zündel about this material claim that he privately admitted it was a deliberate hoax to build publicity for Samisdat, although he still defended it as late as 2002.


    Miguel Serrano


    In 1978 Serrano, a Chilean diplomat and Nazi sympathizer, published The Golden Band, in which he claimed that Adolf Hitler was an avatar of Vishnu and was then communing with Hyperborean gods in an underground Antarctic base. Serrano predicted that Hitler would lead a fleet of UFOs from the base to establish the Fourth Reich.


    Vladimir Terziski


    Bulgarian engineer Vladimir Terziski, billing himself as president of the American Academy of Dissident Sciences, has built on the claims of Pauwel and Bergier, claiming that the Germans collaborated in their advanced craft research with Axis powers Italy and Japan, and continued their space effort after the war from New Swabia. He writes that Germans landed on the Moon as early as 1942 and established an underground base there. When Russians and Americans secretly landed on the moon in the 1950s, says Terziski, they stayed at this still-operating base. According to Terziski, "there is atmosphere, water and vegetation on the Moon," which NASA conceals to exclude the third world from moon exploration. Terziski has been accused of fabricating his video and photographic evidence..

     

     



  • In 1950, a former Luftwaffe engineer named Rudolf Schriever gave a series of interviews to the West German press in which he claimed to have designed a "Flying Disc" during the war.   Schriever had been an engineer and test pilot for the Heinkel factory in Eger.   In 1941, he began to toy with the idea of an aircraft that could take off vertically, thus eliminating the need for runways, which were vulnerable to enemy bombing.

    By June the following year, he had built and test-flown a working model of his design, and work immediately began on a full-size fifteen-foot version.   In mid-1944, Schriever was transferred to the BMW plant near Prague, Czechoslovakia, where he was joined by an engineer from the rocket site at Peenemünde named Richard Miethe, another engineer named Klaus Habermohl and an Italian physicist from the aeronautical complex at Riva del Garda, Dr Giuseppe Belluzzo.

     

    Together, it is claimed, they built an even larger, piloted version of the disc, featuring a domed pilot's cabin sitting at the centre of a circular set of multiple wings driven by a turbine engine mounted on the disc's vertical axis.

     

    The German disc programme allegedly went under the title 'Projekt Saucer'.   According to the military historian Major Rudolf Lusar, Schriever's disc consisted of "a wide-surface ring which rotated around a fixed, cupola-shaped cockpit".   The ring contained "adjustable wing-discs which could be brought into appropriate position for the take-off or horizontal flight".   The Model 3 flying disc is claimed to have had a diameter of 138 feet and a height of 105 feet.   According to Schriever, the finished disc was ready for test-flying early in 1944, but was destroyed by its builders to prevent it from falling into the hands of the advancing Allies.

     

    According to the story, Schriever and his colleagues fled as the BMW plant was taken by Czechoslovakian patriots.   In spite of Schriever's claim, Renato Vesco, who studied aeronautical engineering at the German Institute for Aerial Development and during the war was sent to work at Fiat's underground installation at Lake Garda in northern Italy, states that a highly advanced supersonic disc-shaped aircraft called the Kugelblitz was allegedly test-flown near the Nordhausen underground rocket complex in February 1945.   Also known as the V-7, this machine was said to have climbed to a height of 37,600 feet in just three minutes, and is claimed by 'true believers' to have reached a speed of 1,218 mph.   This craft and the technicians who built it were apparently seized by the Russians and taken to Siberia, where the disc project continued under Soviet control.

     

    While Vesco concedes that the hard evidence for a German flying-disc programme is "very tenuous" (non-existant is more accurate), he notes that "the senior official of a 1945 British technical mission revealed that he had discovered German plans for 'entirely new and deadly developments in air warfare' ".   Vesco claimed that these plans must obviously have gone beyond normal jet aircraft designs, as both sides already had jet-powered aircraft in production and operational service by the end of the war.   Moreover, before Rudolf Schriever died some fifteen years after the war he had become convinced that the large numbers of post-war UFO sightings were evidence that his designs had been built and developed.

     

    On 2 May 1980, another man claimed to the German press that he had worked on Project Saucer. Heinrich Fleissner, then 76 years old, told Neue Presse magazine that he had been a technical consultant on a jet-propelled, disc-shaped aircraft that had been built at Peenemünde from parts manufactured in a number of other locations.   Fleissner also claimed that Göring had been the patron of the project and planned to use the disc as a courier plane, but that the Wehrmacht had destroyed most of the plans in the face of the Allied advance.  

     

    According to Vesco, the Austrian inventor Viktor Schauberger, after being kidnapped by the Nazis, designed a number of disc-shaped aircraft for the Third Reich between 1938 and 1945.

     

    The saucers were powered by what Schauberger called 'liquid vortex propulsion' which he explained as follows: 'If water or air is rotated into a twisting form of oscillation known as "colloidal", a build-up of energy results, which, with immense power, can cause levitation.'

     

    It would be interesting to know the extent of the truth of these claims, because both scientific facts and principles seem to lie in ruins if what Schauberger says about Nazi UFOs is even half true.

     

    Besides the claims of would-be inventors, wild rumours, and the claims of out-and-out crack-pots, there are few original first-hand historical documents about the development of saucer-shaped aircraft by the Nazis, though some did exist - though not as advanced as some would like to believe.   The supporters of the saucers' reality say that most but not all documents and blueprints were destroyed by the Nazis before surrender or captured by the Allied and never released, due to their extreme strategic importance.   Investigation for locating possible undisputable sources is still running.

     

    The reality of the "Nazi UFOs" has been highly controversial to say the least Though it is undisputable that the Nazi's were indeed working on many advanced rocket and jet designs by the wars end, including some "flying discs" such as the Sack AS-6 and the Focke-Wulf VTOL Project), no hard historical evidence about the existence of the highly advanced technology mentioned above has been presented so far.

     


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